tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15627892.post1539909537074143093..comments2024-03-18T05:56:59.924-04:00Comments on Daled Amos: Video: Why Israel's Blockade Of Gaza Complies With International Law (Updated)Daled Amoshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17646808702899584547noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15627892.post-81125612519666634102010-07-30T12:39:07.291-04:002010-07-30T12:39:07.291-04:00(continued from previous comment)
Harvard Gaza e...(continued from previous comment)<br /><br /><i> Harvard Gaza expert Sarah Roy, explains that the purpose of the blockade is what she called "de-development". The blockade's aim is to destroy the Gaza economy, and it always has been. That is why, the primary provisions of the blockade are not to prevent the import of weapons, but rather to completely prevent any exports, which are clearly of no military use, but vital to economic survival.</i><br /><br />What in the world is a "Gaza Expert". And how do you become one--by saying what you like?<br /><br /><i>The blockade's aim is to destroy the Gaza economy, and it always has been. That is why, the primary provisions of the blockade are not to prevent the import of weapons, but rather to completely prevent any exports, which are clearly of no military use, but vital to economic survival.</i><br /><br />Wow! I thought your post was recent--but obviously it is weeks and months old.<br /><br />Or maybe you have not seen the pictures and videos of the hotels, restaurants and resorts in Gaza.<br /><br /><i>5. Also note that prevent exports is not a "bilateral sanction". Israel prevents, for example, the export of Gaza goods to, say, Cyprus, or Greece, or Turkey, or any other country on earth.</i><br /><br />I don't know about that. <a href="" rel="nofollow">Here's the New York Times from November 2007</a>:<br /><br />Israel has approved the transfer of 25 armored personnel carriers from Russia to the Palestinian Authority and will allow the export of some agricultural produce from Gaza for the first time since Hamas took over the area, Israeli government officials said Wednesday.<br />----<br />Clearly, the implication is that before Hamas took over, there were exports.<br /><br />Since Hamas was bombing Israeli civilians, Israel doesn't owe Hamas any favors.<br /><br /><i>6 Israel's settlement building and occupation in the West Bank is clearly illegal under international law. No serious international law scholar disputes this.</i><br /><br /><a href="http://theisraelisettlements.blogspot.com/p/settlements-legal-issues.html" rel="nofollow">You are forgetting</a><br />Julius Stone<br />Eugene Rostow <br />Howard Grief<br />Gerald Adler<br /><br /><i>Resistance to this illegal activity is legal.</i><br /><br />You mean the arbitrary murder of women and children is legal?<br /><br />Got it.Daled Amoshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17646808702899584547noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15627892.post-51761380535978873782010-07-30T12:33:40.060-04:002010-07-30T12:33:40.060-04:001. There is no state of "armed conflict"...<i>1. There is no state of "armed conflict" between Israel and Gaza. Hasn't been since Jan 2009.</i><br /><br />So the continued firing of rockets into Israel is...their way of saying hi?<br /><br /><a href="http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/gaza-rocket-strikes-ashkelon-two-mortar-shells-hit-west-negev-1.304966" rel="nofollow">Like this one today</a>:<br /><br />A Grad-type Katyusha rocket fired by Palestinian militants in the Gaza Strip struck close to an apartment building in a residential area of Ashkelon on Friday, while two mortar shells exploded in the western Negev just a few hours later.<br /><br />The Katyusha rocket hit the populated neighborhood just after 8:30 A.M., causing some damage to the nearby building and to a number of parked cars. There were no casualties in the incident, but at least two people were treated for shock. Residents said that the Color Red rocket alert sounded prior to the explosion.<br /><br /><i>2. As long as Israel maintains military/or civilian forces in these areas, then they are definitely considered to be under military occupation.</i><br /><br />From which it of course follows that Gaza in fact is <i>not</i> occupied.<br /><br /><i>3. The UN still recognizes the Gaza Strip as occupied territory. Israel enforces effective military control over its waterways, its airspace, and much of its land near the border, which Israel calls a "buffer zone".</i><br /><br />The UN recognizes it as occupied--so what? That is an consensus, not a legal decision.<br /><br />The UN at one point said Zionism is racism--and turned around and said it isn't.<br /> <br />As far as control of airways and such--are you saying that according to international law, or your own opinion?<br /><br />What is your source?<br /><br /><i>4. Israel's maritime blockade of Gaza goes back far before Hamas was elected in 2006. It goes back before Hamas was even created (in the 1980s). Israel has effectively imposed a maritime blockade on Gaza's ports, since they were captured in 1967.</i><br /><br />Source?<br /><br /><i>The goal of the blockade was, as defense minister Moshe Dayan said, to make the Palestinians "live like dogs".</i><br /><br />Are you deliberately quoting this out of context?<br /><br />Check out <a href="http://volokh.com/posts/1188228025.shtml" rel="nofollow">Volokh Conspiracy</a>:<br /><br />This quote comes up pretty often, and is a particular favorite of Noam Chomsky. It's generally attributed to Dayan as saying that this is what he said Israel should tell "the Palestinians" or "the Palestinians in the occupied territories."<br /><br />The problem is that the original English source for this quote is Noam Chomsky, in his 1992 book Deterring Democracy. Not surprisingly, Chomsky provides no meaningful context; all he writes is "Dayan's advice was that Israel should tell the Palestinian refugees [note that even in Chomsky's original, Dayan is referring to "refugees" assumedly living in refugee camps, not Palestinians in general, something that Chomsky has <a href="http://www.zmag.org/content/Mideast/chomsky_palestine_april2.cfm" rel="nofollow">conveniently forgotten</a> <a href="http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=05/12/23/1450216" rel="nofollow">over time</a>] in the territories 'that we have no solution, that you shall continue to live like dogs, and whoever wants to can leave — and we will see where this process leads... [beware the ellipsis!] In five years we may have 200,000 less people — and that is a matter of enormous importance.'"<br />-------<br />Clearly, Dayan is not saying what you claim he is saying.<br /><br />(continued in next comment)Daled Amoshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17646808702899584547noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15627892.post-831746444627260502010-07-30T10:20:31.599-04:002010-07-30T10:20:31.599-04:00There are several inaccuracies or outright distort...There are several inaccuracies or outright distortions in what the Israeli official is saying.<br /><br />1. There is no state of "armed conflict" between Israel and Gaza. Hasn't been since Jan 2009.<br /><br />2. During the Oslo process Israel recognized the Gaza Strip and West Bank as a single entity. This entity is referred to by most of the world as the "occupied Palestinian territories". As long as Israel maintains military/or civilian forces in these areas, then they are definitely considered to be under military occupation.<br /><br />3. The UN still recognizes the Gaza Strip as occupied territory. Israel enforces effective military control over its waterways, its airspace, and much of its land near the border, which Israel calls a "buffer zone".<br /><br />4. Israel's maritime blockade of Gaza goes back far before Hamas was elected in 2006. It goes back before Hamas was even created (in the 1980s). Israel has effectively imposed a maritime blockade on Gaza's ports, since they were captured in 1967. The goal of the blockade was, as defense minister Moshe Dayan said, to make the Palestinians "live like dogs". Harvard Gaza expert Sarah Roy, explains that the purpose of the blockade is what she called "de-development". The blockade's aim is to destroy the Gaza economy, and it always has been. That is why, the primary provisions of the blockade are not to prevent the import of weapons, but rather to completely prevent any exports, which are clearly of no military use, but vital to economic survival.<br /><br />5. Also note that prevent exports is not a "bilateral sanction". Israel prevents, for example, the export of Gaza goods to, say, Cyprus, or Greece, or Turkey, or any other country on earth. Bilateral sanctions (such as US against Syria) prevent the export of Syrian goods, to the US alone.<br /><br />6. Israel's settlement building and occupation in the West Bank is clearly illegal under international law. No serious international law scholar disputes this. Resistance to this illegal activity is legal. This resistance may emanate from either the West Bank or the Gaza Strip, since they are considered one entity by every nation on earth, including Israel. Hence, Israel's blockade of Gaza is in essence, a supplement to the already illegal activities in the West Bank, which mean the blockade is itself illegal.<br /><br />The arguments go on and on and on.<br /><br />It is important to note that the Israeli government is fully aware that what it is doing is illegal. It just doesn't care. As long as it is military superior and has the backing of the US in its crimes, it can't be stopped.<br /><br />It's like the mafia boss who has the police and judges in his pocket. Nothing is considered "illegal" for that mafia boss.Poyaninoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15627892.post-74169730130545778202010-07-14T04:32:43.028-04:002010-07-14T04:32:43.028-04:00I wonder what Ms. Weiss Maudi's position is of...I wonder what Ms. Weiss Maudi's position is of Israels 'illegal' settlements on Arab land is ?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15627892.post-10705603785685142522010-06-07T14:46:25.925-04:002010-06-07T14:46:25.925-04:00All this may be true but it won't convince any...All this may be true but it won't convince anyone who has been fed a diet of Israel hatred.<br /><br />It would be more effective if the interviewer and interviewee were not Israeli.<br /><br />It's all a bit sanitised to convince a neutral.<br /><br />Thanks for posting.Ray Cookhttp://www.raymondcook.netnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15627892.post-89312688671761341462010-05-30T16:10:37.845-04:002010-05-30T16:10:37.845-04:00@anonymous
The opinion of the rest of the world d...@anonymous<br /><br />The opinion of the rest of the world doesn't matter when it comes to Israeli policy.<br /><br />Also, the opinion of the rest of the world <i>is</i> that the blockade is legal. That's why it's called <b>"international"</b> law.JOhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10032698457195078783noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-15627892.post-52263357234778116752010-05-29T11:02:05.642-04:002010-05-29T11:02:05.642-04:00Israel's opinion is nothing new. More importan...Israel's opinion is nothing new. More important is the opinion of the rest of the world.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com