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Martyrdom Indoctrination on Hamas TV Children's Show: Children all Over the World Will Become Martyrs
Following are excerpts from a Hamas children's show, "The Pioneers of Tomorrow," which aired on Al-Aqsa TV on April 2, 2010:
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To view the MERMI TV page for Al-Aqsa, visit http://www.memritv.org/content/en/tv_channel_indiv.htm?id=175 .
Nassur the Teddy Bear: "Dear children, when we grow up, we will become martyrs, God willing. [...]
"Yes, Saraa, the pioneers of tomorrow will liberate the Al-Aqsa Mosque. The children, the pioneers of tomorrow, and not only in the Gaza Strip and the West Bank, but all over the world, my dear Saraa and dear children." [...]
"Go ahead, the audience is waiting..."
Caller: "I'm from Holland."
Nassur: "From Holland. Wow!"
Child host Saraa: "Welcome. "
Nassur: "Where in Holland, my dear?"
Saraa: "Greetings to our people in Holland. [...]
"What would you like to sing for us?"
Caller: "When We Become Martyrs."
Nassur: "Go ahead. Come on, cheer her on. Clap your hands."
Saraa: "Come on."
Nassur: "Come on."
Caller (singing): "When we get martyred we will go to Paradise.
"When we get martyred we will go to Paradise.
"No, don’t say we are too small. This life has made us grown-ups.
"Without Palestine our childhood means nothing.
"Without Palestine our childhood means nothing.
"Even if they gave us all the money in the world, it won't make us forget.
"I am willing to sacrifice my blood for my country.
"Without Palestine our childhood means nothing.
"Without Palestine our childhood means nothing."
Saraa: "Thank you very much."
Nassur: "Warm applause."
Technorati Tag: Hamas and Nassur The Teddy Bear.
The title is misleading. Israel builds settlements where they should not.
ReplyDeleteYou just proved my point.
ReplyDeleteAll you can comment on--the only thing you comment on--is that Israel allegedly should not be building there.
Of course, that is a matter of opinion, as legally that point is open to question.
Not the fact that Hamas is brainwashing little children to commit genocide. But hey we mustn't get in the way of the "peace process".
ReplyDeleteThat is exactly why there isn't one today.
yeah yeah, nice try to change subject... It's like saying "ok so I stole an apple in a grocery store, but hey, my neighbour robbed a bank, look at him!"
ReplyDeleteThose settlelents are illegal under international law and it has NOTHING to do with Hamas TV (which is by the way - as we all agree - kinda sick and dangerous for little kids). Again, Hamas TV doesn't change the fact that Israel is building illegal settlements and wall (and at the same time cries for peace).
You are mistaken on a number of issues.
ReplyDeleteFirst, I was not changing the subject--I was merely pointing out the obvious fact that you were addressing one issue while completely ignoring the other.
Secondly, you are wrong on the issue of law as there are many opinions written by lawyers which refute the claims of illegality. The links to a number of them can be found here.
Since there are only opinions on both sides of the issue with no definitive binding decision ever having been passed down, at best you are merely giving an opinion.
"kinda sick and dangerous for little kids"
And that's all?
I'm sorry but I see it as changing the subject or at least as an act to turn attention from Israeli illegal activities.
ReplyDeleteRegarding Hamas TV, what do you want me to say anyway? I see this TV program as kind of dangerous brainwashing. Unfortunately, Israel has its own methods of brainwashing as well (millitary rabbis, for example).
As for those settlements, I already said I believe in international law. Of course, there will always be different opinion on just every issue in the world. It's nothing new. But the UN resolutions are clear and international law is clear - Israeli settlements are illegal. That's all I need to know (since I'm not a lawyer).
This is what passes for an argument?
ReplyDeleteRegarding Hamas TV, what do you want me to say anyway? I see this TV program as kind of dangerous brainwashing. Unfortunately, Israel has its own methods of brainwashing as well (millitary rabbis, for example).
If the best you can do is arbitrarily claim that Rabbis are brainwashing "as well"--insinuating that they encourage murder of Palestinians without any sources (something that I am used to from you, but still...)
Your superficial arguments are no better composed than arguing about Yankees vs. Mets--with the same emotion and lack of concreteness.
So bottom line, the best you can do is repeat the same thing over and over--from someone who is not a lawyer protesting that he knows what the definitive law is.
Noted.
It may not be the same kind of brainwashing but it should be called 'brainwashing' nevertheless. You wanna sources? Sure, not a problem, although it's hard to think it would work for you, since you don't like (nor trust) mainstream media and you mostly rely on books or your own (often pro-israeli) sources. But anyway, here you go:
ReplyDeletehttp://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/news/israel-military-rabbi-under-fire-for-brainwashing-soldiers-1.255901
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/03/20/AR2009032003463.html
http://www.slate.com/id/2214440
I don't watch baseball and I don't know much about this rivality, but don't think my arguments are that superficial. Are you a lawyer? And what's wrong if I rely on international law anyway? Those who criticize international law should explain the principles they recommend to replace it.
I don't watch baseball and I don't know much about this rivality, but don't think my arguments are that superficial. Are you a lawyer? And what's wrong if I rely on international law anyway? Those who criticize international law should explain the principles they recommend to replace it.
ReplyDeleteWhat in the world are you talking about?
The point I made is that opinions in International Law on the issue of "occupation" are divided--a fact that you refuse to recognize. Thus your ridiculous comment "Those who criticize international law should explain the principles they recommend to replace it" is beyond irrelevant as it has nothing to do with the discussion.
My point--which your odd comment strengthens--is that you are incapable of realizing that legal opinions by experts on International Law have been written that support Israel's claim.
Ah, but I forget: you are the one who claimed that Israel was guilty of 'disproportionate force'--and then admitted you had no idea what the principle meant.
As for your sources--
Christopher Hitchens has been filleted and skewered in the past by Shmuel Boteach for relying on disreputable and debunked sources.
The Washington Post is reporting on an isolated incident--furthermore, the quote used is not from the material provided, but is a quote from a soldier on his impression of the message. In fact, the material that is supposed to have been handed out is not quoted at all.
The Haaretz article is even less of an issue, having nothing to do with the point at hand.
I recall the time I asked you to define Zionism. Rather than admit you had no idea, you typed a link to Wikipedia. Big deal.
This time, it is obvious you did a search and came up with 3 articles--and it is not clear that you read all 3 either, considering that they do not support your argument.
If you are going to go flailing around making a comparison to support your claim that Orthodox rabbis are no better than Hamas, you'll have to do better than this.
But that would require more than the superficial fluff you have produced thus far.
1.) My point is basically this:
ReplyDeleteThe consensus view of the international community is that the building of Israeli settlements in the West Bank, including East Jerusalem, is ILLEGAL under international law, although Israel disputes this. (source: wikipedia)
2.) "Ah, but I forget: you are the one who claimed that Israel was guilty of 'disproportionate force'--and then admitted you had no idea what the principle meant." - that's not entirely true. First of all, I never said I had "no idea" what does that term mean. I mentioned it after I read some reports about the Operation Cast Lead claiming that Israel used disproportionate force in the last Gaza war. I relied on those reports (mostly written by experts) and today I still believe Israel did use it.
3.) As for my sources, just as I expected you are trying to discredit them. I'm not surprised. You know how they say: When all else fails blame the Messenger. It's the same old story. It happened to President Carter after his book Palestine (Peace, Not Apartheid), it happened to mr Goldstone and it happened to AI and HRW (after its reports that criticized Israel). In fact, I have a feeling that guys like you and other pro-israeli bloggers would go and try to discredit just ANY source or expert in the world if he/it dared to criticize Israel, even if it was Israeli president. :) Which is exactly why I usually don't wate my time with providing my sources - you don't trust mainstream media, so why sould I bother?
By the way, I never claimed Orthodox rabbis are "no better than Hamas". That was not my point. I just said they're involved in some (different) kind of brainwashing as well. In the BBC report (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programmes/newsnight/8232340.stm) one can read following: "Rabbis handed out hundreds of religious pamphlets during the Gaza war. When this came to light, it caused huge controversy in Israel. Some leaflets called Israeli soldiers the "sons of light" and Palestinians the "sons of darkness". Others compared the Palestinians to the Philistines, the bitter biblical enemy of the Jewish people."
I'm not sure for you, but I see it as an example of brainwashing. Just like those notorious T-shirts or those infamous photos of Israeli children writing slogans on Israeli artillery shells just before being fired into Lebanon (during Israel's war on Lebanon in 2006). To conclude, unfortunately we can see brainwashing on both sides.
I thought I had already responded to this, but apparently it did not get posted.
ReplyDeleteI never said I had "no idea" what does that term mean.
Actually, that is exactly what you wrote on Feb. 15 in a comment to No Wonder Europe Is In Such Bad Financial Straits--Look At How Much They Pay To Undermine Israel!
You wrote:
As for the term "disproportionate force", I don't know the legal definition, but I understand it in the context of how other people/organizations were using it.
So instead of relying on experts, you want to go according to people who know as little about international law as you do.
Got it.
3. As for my sources, just as I expected you are trying to discredit them.
Distortion and hypocrisy.
Distortion because the fact is that all you did was look for posts using the word "brainwashing"--ignoring the fact that the brainwashing did not have anything to do with convincing others to murder Arab civilians.
Instead, you expect to score points because rabbis say the enemy that has been sending thousands of rockets into Israel are evil.
This to you is earth shattering.
Hypocrisy, because in the case of Hitchens at least I brought a source to back up why I consider him reliable.
You, on the other hand, have already written on multiple occasions that you do not trust any Israeli government source.
I'm not sure for you, but I see it as an example of brainwashing. Just like those notorious T-shirts or those infamous photos of Israeli children writing slogans on Israeli artillery shells just before being fired into Lebanon (during Israel's war on Lebanon in 2006). To conclude, unfortunately we can see brainwashing on both sides.
This is old stuff--the shirts make a point of the fact that Hamas terrorists hide behind children. This apparently bothers you more than the notorious material produced against former President Bush.
The best you can do is bring in children writing on those rockets--care to compare that with what the Arab children are writing and saying? Do you have any idea what those Arab textbooks say? Are you claiming that Israeli textbooks do the same?
Distortion and hypocrisy? Maybe I really didn't pick the best possible sources (it's hard to find good sources for you). Maybe. But my feeling about the whole issue remains: when all else fails blame the Messenger. Not just in this case. My opinion is that I could spent a whole day searching for different sources on the internet but it wouldn't change anything, because you'd always find SOMETHING you wouldn't like. No hard feelings, that's just the way I see it.
ReplyDeleteAs for Israeli brainwashing, I know it's old stuff
"care to compare that with what the Arab children are writing and saying? Do you have any idea what those Arab textbooks say? Are you claiming that Israeli textbooks do the same?"
No, that's not what I'm claiming. But I do think it's still kind of brainwashing - perhaps different kind.
But my feeling about the whole issue remains: when all else fails blame the Messenger.
ReplyDeleteThis from the person who has claimed on more than one occasion that he automatically rejects any statement from the Israeli government.
Stop making excuses.