Wednesday, August 02, 2006

The 123 Israeli Children Killed by Palestinian Terrorists

The following is an HTML rendering of the Power Point presentation viewable online at Mystical Paths with the names of the murdered children. (hat tip: Smooth Stone)
And a very special thanks to Baleboosteh (...a day in the life...), who spent hours reworking the images to make the HTML version a worth commemoration of the loss of our murdered brothers and sisters.

Please take a few minutes...
To know and remember the ones...
Our beautiful children and youth...
Who were slain by the Arab terrorists...

In October 2000, the Palestinian Arabs in Israel started a new war of terror against the Israeli nations. Terror attacks against Israeli civilians occured in every possible place in Israel.

In coffee shops and restaurants, On dozens of buses, In the middle of the street


Among the thousands of Israeli people who were murdered and injured, there were hundreds of children. Some of the attacks were deliberately intended against children and youth.



Credits

Israel's War Against Terror
http://www.israel-wat.com
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The Mideast Archive
http://mideast-archive.co.nr
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Koby Shayo
IsraeliChikdren at walla do co dot il

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80 comments:

Smooth said...

I thank you, but not for me, but for our children.

Bagel Blogger said...

No Words I think of can express the sadness I feel right now.


Aaron

Anonymous said...

wow is that all? http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/5228224.stm

Daled Amos said...

Anonymous,

This is not a contest and it is not about numbers.
The lives lost in Lebanon are a tragedy, as well.
But there is a fundamental difference:

Those killed in Lebanon are accidental, a result of Hizbollah terrorists hiding among civilians.
Those murdered in Israel are innocent civilians, targets of Hizbollah terrorists.

Greg Farrar said...

Those like the coward "anonymous" who try to claim some equality between terrorists and those who act in self defense sicken me.
Any civilian death is horrendous, but there is a vast difference between civilians being used as human shields by cowardly vermin and those deliberatley murdered by the same scum.
Did you miss the difference, Anonymous, or are you so blinded by stupidity and hate?
Go join your friends in Lebanon, they could always use more shields.

I feel deep saddness for the children of both sides; killed by the same Islamic terrorists. Directly or indirectly, they are all dead because of them.

Don Miguel said...

The problem with "Anonymous" is called moral equivalence.

Anonymous said...

Did you miss the difference, Anonymous, or are you so blinded by stupidity and hate?

Yes, the difference was missed. That poster was likely a Leftist or an Arab - both are incapable of making moral judgments, because barbarians do not have that ability. Both have a system of institutionalized lying as well to spread their faith (secular, social Marxism for the former, and Islamofascism for the latter).

Anonymous said...

Well instead of looking at the symptom let's look at the cause of all this: the OCCUPATION! Do you know that the military occupation of the West Bank and Gaza is the longest military occupation in modern history? I guess it is convenient to overlook this fact. I am really sick and tired of Israel using it it's victimhood to justify all the horrendous atrocities in the occupied territories and now in Lebanon.
Fortunately even with sophisticated propoganda machine the Israel uses to shroud the facts, people are not falling for this any more and they can see through the misinformation if they have still have any critical thinking skills. I can guarantee that all the terrorism will stop tomorrow if Israel withdraws from the West Bank and a truly viable Palestinian state is created. But Israel will never do that because if peace comes to the Middle East its reason for existence. Just as the US seems to be in a perpetual war now so it seems Israel is as well. And I disagree with most people that Jews and Israel controls the US. I think it is the other way around: the US is using Israel as the guard dog in the neighborhoods to keep everyone in line and the oil flowing. You think the Chrstian Right gives a hoot about Jews and Israel? They just want the apocalypse to happen so they can be raptured into heaven. At that point the Jews either and Muslims for that matter either convert or die or some nonsense like that. Palestinians and Israeli/Jews have way more in common than you think some day they will both live in peace and brotherhood.
Peace, Shalom and Salaam

RepJ said...

Actually, Lebanon and the Red Cross say the numbers of people in that building who died are significantly less than what Hizballah claimed. I guess they lied. Whodda thunk it.

A. Truman North said...

G-d bless Israel for fighting the fight and suffering the deaths that others in the West won't. They are the front line in the war against Islamofascism.

Quando said...

Maybe the Pali terrorists were taking their cue from the settlers' rabbis:
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/1,7340,L-3283720,00.html
Yesha Rabbinical Council: During time of war, enemy has no innocents

The Yesha Rabbinical Council announced in response to an IDF attack in Kfar Qanna that "according to Jewish law, during a time of battle and war, there is no such term as 'innocents' of the enemy."

"All of the discussions on Christian morality are weakening the spirit of the army and the nation and are costing us in the blood of our soldiers and civilians," the statement said.

Anonymous said...

In reply to Greg Farrar's post:

Sir, you seem to have made an error. You said that ". . . there is a vast difference between civilians being used as human shields by cowardly vermin and those deliberately murdered by the same scum." Actually, there is not such a distinction as you might think. When Hizbollah starts a firefight, deliberately places civilians in the line of fire, and those civilians are killed in the battle, they have not died accidentally. They have been deliberately murdered by Hizbollah. (Just as when a kidnapper hides behind his victim in a gunfight with the police, and the police shoot at the kidnapper, but kill the victim, the kidnapper is guilty of murder.) The Jewish children killed by Hizbollah have been deliberately murdered by Hizbollah, and the Muslim children killed when Hizbollah hides behind them in a firefight have also been deliberately murdered by Hizbollah. The Muslim children whom Hizbollah slaughters in the creation of a fake story of an Israeli atrocity have also been deliberately murdered by Hizbollah. There is not much of a difference.

In one respect, they are different. Hizbollah would slaughter Jewish children in any case; genocide against Jews is its purpose, after all. But the only reasons Hizbollah murders Muslim children are that, first, since the Jews are civilized, the presence of Muslim children on the battlefield restrains the Jews, giving Hizbollah a tactical advantage; and second, because Hizbollah can rely upon its supporters in the Arab world and the West being stupid enough to blame Israel for Hizbollah’s murders of Muslim children, so Hizbollah gains a political advantage by these murders.

Quando said...

http://www.ifamericansknew.org/stats/children.html

Let us also not forget that none of those 763 Palestinian children were "used as shileds".
No the problem is that Israelis do not consider non-Jews as equals (and that includes us non-thechosenpeople Americans).
Lending our support to this racist, supremacist ideology dishonors all those brave Americans who fouhgt and died in WWII against just such a menace.
http://www.ifamericansknew.org/stats/children.html

tblubrd said...

Quando,
Get your head out of your ass. Basic fact:
If Palestinians would stop shooting at Israel, Israel would leave them alone. It has before. As long as you want to spend you money on weapons instead of building hospitals, software companies, schools, and Wal-Marts, you will suffer. Palestinians are overboard with this "pride" crap that inspires them to suicide.
The rest of the entire world (except iran and hezbollah) act differently. To become a part of that world, act differently.

Gotterdammerung said...

"1000 Lebanese aren't worth a single jewish fingernail" some bigot you goyim better respect.

Indigenous europeans among us: We already have "dhimmi" status much hyped by an LGFer, it's called the jewish noachide laws.

Viking spirit arise within Europe once again; with a double sieg rune. Stand with the gods against this foul usurist horde.

pst314 said...

And these are just the children murdered recently. Muslims were joyfully murdering Jewish children when my grandparents were little children. And when their grandparents' grandparents' grandparents were young, Islam was using violence to "keep the infidels in their place."

Anonymous said...

I suppose, Anonymous (with regards to your post at 11:24 p.m.), that if Israel does not want peace, their treaties with Egypt and Jordan were mere historical aberrations? When Egypt signed a treaty with Israel, they got the Sinai back. When Jordan signed a treaty with Israel, they got that part of the west bank that was formerly Jordan. If Syria was really interested in making peace and had entered into negotiations with Israel sometime in the last 35 years, they would probably have the Golan Heights back by now, but instead insist they get Golan back first before any negotiations will be entertained. When Israel made an offer to the Palestinians that gave them 93% of the land concessions they asked for, Yasser Arafat not only rejected it, but his counter offer was the intifada. Look what happened in Gaza. After Israel pulled out, uprooting at least 7,500 Jews, Israel was still attacked from Gaza. Unfortunately, Syria's and the PLO's response is typical of the Arab world toward Israel for the last 60 years.
Anonymous, ask yourself this question: If Israel pulled out of the West Bank and Lebanon, out of all territory it gained after 1967, would the PLO, Hezbollah, and other like-minded organizations remove from their charters their goal of destroying the nation of Israel and driving the Jews into the Sea? Would they have a change of heart and work with Israel? If you are honest, you'll admit they won't; they'll be emboldened by it and continue fighting. Besides, the PLO charter was written well before 1967.
In actions and in words, the terror organizations and countries that have supported them directly and indirectly have shown no desire for peace with Israel, which I'm sure you know.

Quando said...

blubrd-

"If Palestinians would stop shooting at Israel, Israel would leave them alone."

Really? Were the Palestinians shooting at them in Europe? Is that why they weren't given a big chunk of Germany as a homeland instead?
Such a peace-loving, generous people. No wonder God chose them.

Quando said...

And by the way, why should they stop shooting at Israel?

If a bunch of Quebecans showed up in NY state and tried to force me out of my family home, you better be damn sure I would fight them to the death. And I would hope every American would join me in the fight.

Of course assclowns like you would probably argue that it's OK for the bastards to crowd me out; afterall I would still have 49 other states I could move to, while those poor Quebecans have no where else to call their own.

Bashman said...

hmmmmm......I think the Quebecans might be able to go back to Quebec you "assclown"

jblair said...

I think Anonymous found its way here after the toilets, that are DU and DailyKOS, were flushed.

Schizoid paranoia and flaccid equivalence do not form the foundation of a well-conceived argument.

Israel values peace and life. Unfortunately, Hezb'allah is not interested in peace and nor does it value life. It is that simple, Anonymous.

Quando said...

"Israel values peace and life."
Right. Though only of it's a Jewish life.

"hmmmmm......I think the Quebecans might be able to go back to Quebec"

Same as the Jews in Palestine can make aliya back to E. Europe, America, Argentina, Italy, France and wherever else they came from.

Quando said...

Better yet Bashman, why not give your home to an Israeli family?

Florida Christian said...

Anonymous, You misrepresent me, a Conservative Christian who is strongly Zionist, i.e., pro-Israeli land rights (not necessarily pro-Israel, since sometimes the government of official acts against their biblical land rights by giving away land), and I guarantee you we (the Christian Zionists, not those "Christians" who hold to replacement theology) LOVE both Israel and the Jewish people because they are the apple of G-d's eye, and we love what G-d loves--He has put that in our heart upon salvation (before it was not there), furthermore the rapture will occur BEFORE the 7-year time of tribulation with all the judgments and so on, so Israel being in the land does not in any way affect us getting out of here in the rapture, it could happen today;--that is only a lie spread around based on some very fringe cultish groups of which I haven't even met one person who held to that belief. Israel has been chosen for a unique purpose and place, but G-d does have a plan for the Arabs and they are chosen for blessing too, just not for the plan and land given to Israel whom He has called his adopted first-born son, not because of being worth more, but because of a special love He chose to bestow on their fathers and the covenants He made with them. Also, besides the theological reasons, Israel has the greater moral and historical claim to the land.

Earth56 said...

Anonymous,,
"Do you know that the military occupation of the West Bank and Gaza is the longest military occupation in modern history? "

Really ?

Hmm, the OTTAMAN Empire was around for over 500 years encompassing most of the Middle East.

The Chinese have been in Tibet since the early 1950's

Actually Moohammed and his warriors pretty much invaded and forced his way into Europe and all of Northern Africa and most of western Asia during the 600s spreading Islam over Christians and Jews and Hindus and Buhdists. Its pretty much occupied to this day I would say.

How about YOU picking up a history book instead of the BS you are spouting

Earth56 said...

Quando

"Were the Palestinians shooting at them in Europe?

Actually the Arab world was pretty much behind Nazi Germany and yes they were shooting at Jews in British -Palestine which encompassed all of Jordan too.

Read Mark Twains account of Palestine in the 1800's before the Europeans arrived. It was a wasteland for over 1700 years until the Jews arrived.

You should thank Allah that you have oil as sand bowls are not such a hot commodity on the mercantile exchange. 40 more years and their won't be much left and whats a sheik too do ?

Quando said...

You should thank Allah that you have oil as sand bowls are not such a hot commodity on the mercantile exchange.

I shouldn't thank anyone for any oil. I'm an American and proud of it.
BTW, once the oil runs out, so does U.S. interest in the region and its support for Israel. Then what?

Anonymous said...

Anonymous,,
"Do you know that the military occupation of the West Bank and Gaza is the longest military occupation in modern history? "

No, that would be Ireland, particularly the Dublin area, which was occupied by the English for 800 years.

And unlike Israel, England back then wasnt even a democracy, but a rather brutal medieval absolutist monarchy.

Face facts - the Paletinians are being "oppressed" by their own religion. Islam. THATS what the problem is.

D.C. said...

Thank you Daled Amos for doing this.

The world forgets that Jewish people (young and old) are crually dying every day simply because they are Jews.

When Arabs (kids and adult civilians) kill infidels, it is always on offensive; this is why we see them chant and vow to slauther more.
When Israeli forces kill innocents, it is always on defensive; this is why they grieve, apologize...

Meanwhile Palestinian children recite poetry of blood and hatred for the Glory of Allah, they will blow themselves in Israel when they grow up.

"We will have peace with the Arabs when they love their children more than they hate us." Golda Meir

Seigneur! If Quando knew that too many Quebecois are anti-Semite just like him.

Quando said...

If Quando knew that too many Quebecois are anti-Semite just like him.
Actually I love Jews. Literally.
My mother is Jewish (which means I am too, though only ethnically not religously) and I have second cousins in the IDF.
I'm not anti-semitic, I just don't let my background color my understanding of the world.

BGB said...

When will the Palestinians (if there is such a thing) realize that they are being played by thier so called arab brothers. The other arab nations have an interest in keeping the Palestinians as pereptual victims. As long as the arab govt's can keep thier populations focused on the plight of the Palestinians, no one will question the corruption, ineptitued, and backwardness of thier governments.

Popol said...

"Same as the Jews in Palestine can make aliya back to E. Europe, America, Argentina, Italy, France and wherever else they came from."

... Hmmm. can they make there aliya back to Egypt, Iran, Algeria, Morocco, Syria, Lebanon, Irak, Lybia, etc. as well?

Anonymous said...

Quando ....

You say Jews value life, as long as it is Jewish life? That is a horrible insult, and to say such a thing is a very horrible thing. Do you have any ideas how many ARAB lives were saved by Israelis? I bet you do not. The amount of Arabs saved either by Jewish organs (from Jewish people) or just by being transferred to Israeli hospitals is big. To say such a thing, you should be ashamed.

If you want to talk about valuing ... you dont have to look too far, just look at what you americans do in Iraq. Nice valuing of the prisoner's lives.

As for American support running out, trust me Israel will manage to hold on. We did so in the past and we will do so again (though American support is nice :) )

As for "Jews can go back to...", well no they cannot. I dont know how much about WWII you know, but thier houses and posessions were taken by the locals, so no go there. This is the only place we have, unless people like yourself will give us things (houses, posessions?)

I'll finish off by saying that ofcourse the deaths of the Palestinian children (any child really) is horrible. What you do not mention (for some reason ..) is that Israel APOLOGIZES for these deaths. I didn't yet see any apologizes from Hamas and Hizballah (except when they killed two ARAB children ... makes you wonder huh?)

I would say that what dishonores the American soldiers are people like you, who dare call a democracy a "racist, supremacist ideology", while ignoring terrorist organizations (recognized as such by your own government, among others) who are in the government (Hizballah) or even controls them (Hamas).

Shahar.

njoriole said...

Hey anonymous, et al., enough with the idiotic excuse of Israeli "occupation!" If, by occupation, you mean the West Bank and Gaza (what many in the West typically mean when they use that term), then why was there terrorism against the Jews between 1948 and 1967? Remember, there was no Israeli occupation of those areas during that time, because they were occupied and administered by Jordan and Egypt. The sad (and very frustrating) fact is that, by occupation, the anti-Semites/anti-Zionists mean "Israel" itself. They mean to eliminate the Jews, and the Jewish state, so that they (both) are no more. So, any talk of "root causes" and "occupation" is just so much code for "kill the Jews." It's really that simple.

Anonymous said...

Weird. How can you lot get so worked up again the tragic death of THESE children, yet dance on the graves of Muslim children?

Over the last few days we've seen the vilest and most outlandish conspiracy theories thrown about in the blogosphere about the Qana massacre, yet not once have I seen a pro-Israel blog say the killing of the children (which the IDF has admitted to and apologized for) is a bad thing. Not once. Come on, show us you're human beings, not ideological monsters who would rather endlessly shift blame than come right out and admit a mistake.

Anonymous said...

Person above me ... I have no blog, but I clearly said it is a horrible thing to kill children in my earlier post. D. Amos also said a similar thing in his post.

Shahar.

Quando said...

Shahar-

Just to correct you on one point: I said that the state of Israel only values Jewish lives and that is in fact true.
As for the Jewish people, they are amazing, but it is unfortunate that (godless) Zionism has taken so many so far from their beautiful, rich and spiritual traditions and turned them into vile ideologues.

Daled Amos said...

Quando--

1. "Yesha Rabbinical Council: During time of war, enemy has no innocents" -- you are taking this out of context. Whereas Palestinian terrorists have killed Israeli children purposefully, The rabbis here are talking about when innocents are being used by terrorists.
Or would you be willing to state clearly here that you believe these rabbis advise deliberately singling children out as targets?

2. Let us also not forget that none of those 763 Palestinian children were "used as shileds".
Really? Where does it say that in that post you are quoting?
Or would you be willing to state clearly here that you believe that Palestinian terrorists have never used children as shields, have never sent children with suicide belts to crossing checkpoints and never use children to retrieve used rocket launchers.

3. Do you really think that with the resurgence of Islamism and jihad that the US interest in Israel is limit to oil?

Scottage said...

This is a tremendously moving piece, Daled Amos. Thank you for publishing it!

andy12489 said...

Hey Anonymous and Quando and all you apologists for Islamic murderers.

If IAF was as indiscriminate as "friendly" Islamist murderers (Hezbollah, Muslim Brotherhood, Al Quaeda, Lashkar e-Toiba, Abu Sayyaf - just to name a few) there would no living soul south of Litani River and in whole Bekaa valley. And Beirut would look like Dresden in February 1945. Or Hiroshima in Aug 1945. Or maybe worse.

So much for your accusation that Israel only values Jewish life. If it were true, Lebanon would be scorched earth now and war would be over in a few days.

Lebanon has to understand that she is either in bed with Hezbollah - and thus a legitimate target as per Geneva convention - or on side of freedom - but then Resolution 1559 would have been accomplished long time ago, right?

Look I visited Beirut, and Bekaa valley few years back. People I dealt with in Lebanon were marvellous.

But were they majority? I don't know. I doubt it, but I do hope I am wrong.

What do you think would happen if Sheikh Nasrallah (may he die soon, or better yet be captured by IDF) had a nuke and a delivery capability?

Would Tel Aviv still stand? And how about London or Paris?

The only solution it to eliminate Iran and by extension Hezbollah. Hope we have guts to do it, but somehow I doubt it. Too many idiots and their apologists here. That includes you 2.

And when that happens, Israeli children, American children, Spanish children, British children, Bali children, and maybe even Egyptian and Lebanese children have a good chance to survive to adulthood - and then pick their enemies and friends.

Andy

6:04 AM

Quando said...

1- "Yesha Rabbinical Council: During time of war, enemy has no innocents" -- you are taking this out of context….The rabbis here are talking about when innocents are being used by terrorists.

No Daled, you’re adding context that isn’t there. The settler Rabbis didn’t say “if used as shields” they said “during time of war”, period.

2- “Or would you be willing to state clearly here that you believe that Palestinian terrorists have never used children as shields…”

I retract my statement. To say ‘none have been used’ was a gross overstatement. Hoever many of those children were killed because the IDF does not discriminate between militant and civilian. Insincere apologies after the fact are meaningless. In fact the are reminiscent of Timothy Mcveigh.

3. Do you really think that with the resurgence of Islamism and jihad that the US interest in Israel is limit to oil?
Yes.
The rise of terrorism against U.S. targets is the direct result of U.S. supporting tyrants in the region- i.e. sweetheart deals with KSA, $2 billion a year in aid to Egypt, $3 billion to Israel, our early support of Saddam, the Shah in Iran, and on and on.
We do all this because of our strategic interest in the oil market. Not because we want to ‘steal the oil’ as some idiots claim, but because the oil burse is based on the dollar, so stability in oil sales equals stability for our currency (foreign governments hold about 3 trillion dollars for use in the oil market).
We do what we do because we have to for our economy to survive. Not because Americans loves Israel or the Jewish people. Just as Mel Gibson.

P.S. Open question to all you Christian Zionists who claim to support Israel.
What is it that you believe will happen to us non-Christians upon Jesus’ second coming (aka no more Mr. Nice Guy)?

Anonymous said...

The Zionist movement goes back to the the 1890's. First of all, there have been jews in Jerusalem since Moses' time, but when the Zionist movement began around the turn of the last century, Jews began buying up desert plots from absentee Ottoman land owners. By the time of the Balfore(?) Procamation of 1924 there were over a million Jews in Palastine. The horrors of WW2 only sped up the immigration. After 60 years of statehood, and 40 years since the 6 day war, this land is theirs. It's Jewish land just as Nebraska is American land. The Jews have taken desert and turned it into farmland. They have sweat, bled, fought and died there, and I for one am behind them. I think Isreal shows great restraint, frankly, in how they repay these terrorist-wackos.

Oh yeah, one more thing. Where is the only country in the Middle East where Muslim men and WOMEN have the right to vote? Only in Israel do Muslims have the right to vote, and their legislature has a fair number of Muslims in it.

Anonymous said...

quando,

When Jesus returns to call his church home, He will separate the world. His sheep will go on His right hand, and the goats will go on his left. Those who have accepted Him as their Lord and Savior will be saved from eternal separation and torment. He doesn't want ANYONE to have to go to damnation. He wants us all to be saved. All you have to do is sincerely ask Him, and its yours

Anonymous said...

Most Christians would rather praise Odin then follow the edicts of Zionist "Christianity": fevorous kike worship.

The weird part is most Christians never read the bible; the Zionist Christian viewpoint is biblically correct and Jesus (whom gets secondary status to the jews in Zionist Christianity) was a false messiah according to Mosiac law.

Bocheetus said...

I like stability in the Middle East. With it, I can buy GAS FOR MY CAR AND GET TO THE JOBSITE EVERYDAY AND EARN A PAYYYYCHECKKKK!!!

We have no choice but to be very proactive in when it comes to the Middle East.

Bocheetus said...

Jesus is the fulfillment of the Mosaic Law. He is the perfect sacrifice for our sins. He is the Sacrifice without blemish. He died for my sins and your's too.

This doesn't change the fact that the Jews are still God's chosen people even if they are disobedient. God has great plans for the Nation of Israel.

Come Pagan Samhain Terrorism said...

By the way I'd like to give a shoutout to all the kike wannabes from LGF: have you sent your son or daughter to die for the holy Misermen yet? Kill your kids for holy kikes' bank accounts and get a go to heaven free card! Gee what a deal! Thanks "g-d"!

Anonymous said...

If jesus was the fuffillment of mosiac law: how many "Amalekites" (white Europeans) did he kill for the racist kikes?

The kike book is nothing but a bunch of racist praise for the slaughter of the innocent. God is the personification of the will of the jewish people: wetchedness beyond good and evil. Wake up Christian and side with the arabs!

Daled Amos said...

1- "Yesha Rabbinical Council: During time of war, enemy has no innocents" -- you are taking this out of context….The rabbis here are talking about when innocents are being used by terrorists.

No Daled, you’re adding context that isn’t there. The settler Rabbis didn’t say “if used as shields” they said “during time of war”, period.


Not so fast.

What exactly do you think the rabbis were referring to then?
You're the one who wrote: Maybe the Pali terrorists were taking their cue from the settlers' rabbis
I also asked: Or would you be willing to state clearly here that you believe these rabbis advise deliberately singling children out as targets?

Do you?

T. Kidd said...

quando...

"Same as the Jews in Palestine can make aliya back to E. Europe, America, Argentina, Italy, France and wherever else they came from."

You do realize of course that the Jews have been indigenous to that region for thousands of years. This *IS* where they came from. I also seem to recall that the original Zionist movement involved purchasing land from the existing arab occupiers and peaceably negotiating for territory. The original vision called for a sliver of what eventually was claimed for Israel. The problem though is that the arab states absolutely refused to even discuss it. That only left room for unilateral declaration of statehood. Since they had been there from the beginning (after being bounced around by one arab occupier or another) they claimed their homeland again. And their claim to it is every bit as valid as any other tribe, including the Palestinians. The only difference between 2000 years ago and today is that the Jews successfully beat back those who tried to displace them again.

Palestine is the most contested piece of real estate in the entire world. Before you start throwing around claims of who does and doesn't belong, look back to the original deed. At one time the world recognized it as the Kingdom of Israel.

Sorry to get into a political debate on a site meant to pay respect to the deaths of innocents, but some posts deserve a response.

Anonymous said...

Orly Ophir, my sister's best friend, was barely 15 and a half when she was murdered but she appears under the 16 years old. Please correct this and the spelling of her family name. Thanks.

Anonymous said...

This may be kind of off topic but soldiers deserve some protection by their governments. I know that some people don’t care about them and think “who cares it’s just some soldier they don’t qualify as innocent” but those people are trash. The people that these guys are trying to protect need to stand by their guys and that’s it.

Daled Amos said...

That is true of American soldiers too, who see pundits and members of the media (and Congress) jump at the slightest possibility of scandal as an opportunity to attack Bush, without waiting for the investigation to uncover all of the facts.

Anonymous said...

This post comes as a reply to quando and the likes of him (I'm not even entartaining to speak to gotterdammerung since I despise the type of racist vermin that are the National Vanguard, KKK and other such organisations around the world).

I myself am a pround carreer serviseman with a combat unti of the IDF. Truth to be told, I'm not Jewish, didn't even have an Israeli citizenship when I was conscripted (if you serve 3 years with the IDF you're made a citizen according to Israeli law). At the time I considered IDF military servise to be an obsticale, but it was in there that I began to love Israel. Today I consider myself an Asian-Israeli and proud to be it's citizen. In all my 6 years in this country I have never seen any evidence of the racist-supremist ideology quando was talking about, ectually I encountered the direct opposite of it.
And about idescriminative killing of children and othe atrocities some people claim the IDF does here is my response - it's all bullsh|t and lies. We do all we can to MINIMISE casualties. The problem is that the othe side wears no uniform and hides behind civilians, thus denying the the Covenant of Sanctary (one of the most ancient anwritten laws of warfare). Read about it here to understand better:
http://www.ejectejecteject.com/archives/000125.html

Also, the IDF does something no other military would ever do - we spare the lives of teenage suicide bombers. That's right, if we can we try to take them alive (instead of the natural "shoot 'em, they were goin' to blow 'emselves up anyway..."). I personaly captured and disarmed 3 of such children (14 and 16 yearold boys and 15 yearold girl). Tell me - who would risk the lives of their soldiers to save those who came to murder and die themselves?

Israelies value human life above all else (not Jewish life only but HUMAN LIFE in general) and that's why the IDF fights the terrorists - to protect human life.
Don't you think that if we'd have wanted to kill civilians we'd have used suitabale munitions (i.e. carpet bombing, cluster bombs, vacum bombs, napalm, incendiery shells, flamethrowers and other anti-personnel and wide-impact-zone munitions)?
When the differnce between combatant and civilian is so blurred it's imposible to know who is who civilians get killed, and it's the fault of those who wear t-shirts and jeans and blend in the crowd with their AK-45's and not those uniform-wearing soldiers who don't who's the enemy and who's not.

And until the world realizes that this is the nature of terrorists and that they must be destroyed the body count will rise. Drasticly.

A proud Asian-Israeli.

Daled Amos said...

Thank you.
For your post.
And for defending Israel.

Anonymous said...

Hi again

daled amos:
Your thanks is wellcome, though you should know that I'm simply doing what any sane man should do - I'm fighting the evil that can and wants to destroy all of the civilized free world.

At any rate, since there has been a serious debate over numbers in this discussion I dug into some IDF data and statistics. I have here some interesting figures (all data I provid here is disclosed to the public - no revealing of secrets of any kind) that weren't widly published in the MSM (though some were published in Israel). These figures might explain why the death toll between the Israelies and Palestinians is so diffrent. It's not because the terrorists launch so few attacks, but because the Israeli Security Forces are SO good at foiling the terrorists' plans.
According to IDF statistic the success rate of terrorist attacks since the start of the latest Intifada is a little above 1% (only one out of 92 attempted attacks is carried out successfully for the terrorists).
Since the begining of 2006 the terrorist organisations attempted to carry out in average 38 attacks EACH MONTH (the statistics don't include Kassam rocket fire). Only 3 attacks since the begining of the year succeeded.
It's not like they aren't trying. We're just BETTER then them, by far. In average 56% of foiled attacks are foiled by the IDF, 38% by the Shin-Bet and 16% by the Israeli Police.
If it wasn't for the hard and honest work by the Israeli Security Forces the death toll of Israeli citizens would be tens of thousands.
Although our success rates are good they could be better, much better. We won't stop trying to improve ourselves, trying to destroy those who would kill civilians and trying to prevent new terrorist attacks by any organisation of such monsters until there won't be any terrorists left. Until then - we'll fight on for as long as it takes.
I would like to use this ocasion to thank the men and women of the IDF Military Inteligence Corpus - you are our eyes and ears, keep up the good work, thank you all!
Also I'd like to thank a friend of mine (who's currently recovering from injury sustained in Lebanon) - thank you Amy for saving my life countless times, I hope you'll be well and back in action soon! And I hope you'll read this (and then you'll see that I was right and people abroad do support us, and if you're reading this - prepare MY 20$).

A proud Asian-Israeli.

Robb Strom said...

Do you have a list of the names and ages of the children killed in the past 60 days in the Israel/Lebanon conflict? Alternatively, a link to a website providing this information would also be helpful.

ROBB

Daled Amos said...

I've looked around, but haven't found a list yet.
If I do, I'll let you know.

Daled Amos said...

Yisrael Medad emailed me that a list of the casualties of the rockets fired by Hezbollah can be found at the website of the Israel Ministry of Foreign Affairs

trisha said...

I agree with anonymous, occupation is the problem and without it there wouldnt be som many people dieing

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8093081816015615679&q=palestine&hl=en

trisha said...

For information on the occupation, google "peace, propagnada and the promise land" on google.com under videos

"Peace, Propaganda & the Promised Land provides a striking comparison of U.S. and international media coverage of the crisis in the Middle East, zeroing in on how structural distortions in U.S. coverage have reinforced false perceptions of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. This pivotal documentary exposes how the foreign policy interests of American political elites--oil, and a need to have a secure military base in the region, among others--work in combination with Israeli public relations strategies to exercise a powerful influence over how news from the region is reported.
Through the voices of scholars, media critics, peace activists, religious figures, and Middle East experts, Peace, Propaganda & the Promised Land carefully analyzes and explains how--through the use of language, framing and context--the Israeli occupation of the West Bank and Gaza remains hidden in the news media, and Israeli colonization of the occupied terrorities appears to be a defensive move rather than an offensive one. The documentary also explores the ways that U.S. journalists, for reasons ranging from intimidation to a lack of thorough investigation, have become complicit in carrying out Israel's PR campaign. At its core, the documentary raises questions about the ethics and role of journalism, and the relationship between media and politics."

Daled Amos said...

Trisha:

1. What Occupation? The land never was Palestinian land. Before 1967 it was land under the control of Egypt and Jordan, who took control illegally in 1948. Before that, it was under British control, and before that it was under the control of the Ottoman Empire.

Gee, talk about "the use of language, framing and context"

2. Any mention in that documentary of Pallywood, ReuterGate, or even the Arab lies about Jenin? Then again, the documentary is from 2004. No doubt they are planning on updating the movie with these examples.

3. Intimidation of journalists? You mean something like the forced conversion of Centanni at gunpoint?
Or the attacks on Palestinian journalists by...Palestinians? Israeli newspapers such as Haaretz are known for their critcisms of Israel--how many Palestinian journalists have criticized the Palestinian leadership...and lived.

Is there any limit that Chomsky, Fisk and Jensen will not go to excuse terrorism? Or any limit to how far they will go to not address the murder of Palestinians by other Palestinians.

Some friends the Palestinians have.

CreditThinker said...

I don't want to hurt anybody's feelings but I feel sorry for Palestinian children not less than for Israeli Children. Even though I am Jewish and I have two brothers and three little nephews living in Israel.

Daled Amos said...

The issue is not to think any less of the Palestinian children--or innocent adults--who are killed.

The point, I believe, is to bring attention to the overlooked casualties among Israeli civilians--especially the children, whose pictures do not appear in the papers and online.

Anonymous said...

we are not happy for killed the israelian children but there are more than thousands children killed by israel


watch who they learning the children Ball and hate

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLq1Bk6T6kk&feature=related


and go through this link to see a smaal samle of Israel terrorism

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=13249449171

Daled Amos said...

"we are not happy for killed the israelian children"

Then why do Palestinian terrorist target children?
Why are Soccer tournaments named in honor of terrorists who shoot up Bat Mitzvahs?
Why are the murders of civilians celebrated--a level of degradation something no civilized country in the world sinks to.

Your first link goes to a short piece in Arabic where there is no clue what the guy is saying and the woman's response is unintelligible.

The second link does not open for me.

The bottom line is that Palestinian terrorists kill civilians on purpose.

And now when they are in a position of authority--they kill each other.

Your actions speak louder than your PR.

Anonymous said...

Fake.

Daled Amos said...

In the face of your laser-like logic, backed by the breadth of your evidence, I am truly defenseless.

Mohammed said...

TO THE HELL

Anonymous said...

It is interesting to note the percent of terrorists who are muslim. what is it like 99.999999% maybe the world should get together and decide which civilization causes the most damage then act accordingly to remove the problems.

Anonymous said...

Все про история первобытного общества

Anonymous said...

Hi, I was just wondering if anyone has specific numbers of how many Israeli children were killed since 2000 and how many Palestinian children were killed since 2000.
I do not view either perspective as being more or less correct and all of these deaths are tragic.

AG said...

This post is a geat innitiative and another small step to cry out Israel's suffer. Can any one link each picture with the stories of the victims on that dradefull day the pictures were taken? The world still does not understand the brutality of terror and what it realy means to DELIBERATELY kill innocents.

Agga said...

There r only cowards that kill children, but dont forget that the israeli army has killed many palestinian children. They have cowards on both side! One evil act dosent excuse another one!

Daled Amos said...

The difference is that the Palestinian terrorists are not beyond killing children--even the Goldstone Report noticed that Kassams have hit schoolyards on a number of occasions.

The IDF does not target children.

YouTube features a number of videos with Palestinian terrorists dragging children in front of them.

There is a difference.

Linda said...

As a child sees an adult point an assault weapon to his/her body, as their eyes widen in pure terror, as they feel the bullets shatter their tiny bones, and as they see their blood pour to the ground, do you really think they understand why. Adults are suppose to protect the little ones--they are innocent--full of trust, hope, love. This isn't war--this is cold blooded murder. And that the US media hides this is a national disgrace.

-MA- said...

I am Muslim, and it is sad to see these children were killed by attacks. I ask you zionists to look at the root of the problem, instead of the result. Also, I ask you to even name me ONE of the Palestinian children you killed. The difference is, we don't support child killers, but you do.

The chilren will be Jannah (Heaven) in'sha'Allah (God willing) along with the Prophet Ibrahim (alayhi salaam)

Daled Amos said...

The root problem?

Consider the documented history of the Muslim occupation in the Middle East--it was previously Christian. The exception being Israel, which always had a continuous Jewish population.

Then there is the Muslim attempted occupation of Europe, until Christian resistance drove you out)

That is the root of the problem--along with the documented Anti-Semitim of Muslims that long predates Nazi Germany.

If you don't support child killers, then I ask you to name the Palestinian murderers who have been prosecuted by your people for the murder of innocent Israeli children.

Your blessing for the souls of these children in heaven would mean more if Muslim children were not being taught to kill Israeli civilians so they can have 72 virgins.

Anonymous said...

Israel originally wanted a bi-national state! They wanted desperately to live eqaully among their Arab neighbors. They were even willing to take a fraction of the land they now have, the majority going to the Arabs. They just wanted a safe place for Jews to live in peace. But the militants refused to recognize the jews right to live in their historic homeland. Every offer for bi-nationality has been rejected by Palistinian Arab militants. And they use their own people as pawns in their genocidal game. No one victimizes Palistinian civilians more than Palistinian militants. They've created a twisted mess and now twist the truth and feed it the media in the west, trusting in our stupid tendency not to dig, not to review history. I feel deeply for the Palistinian Arabs,as do most Israeli's. But what can be done when the militants refuse peace at all cost and only want to erase Israel? Even at the cost of their own peoples lives.

HH said...

I don't really care about the political reasons behind those deaths - what freaks me out, is, that they actually HAPPENED. God, those are children. They hadn't even really lived yet, but were killed because of things that they didn't even knew about or understood. Innocent children. This can't happen. There is nothing in this world that could justify killing newborns or teenagers.

I'm 14 and I live in Germany.
Seeing and reading about this changed my way of looking at people completely.